Hope you’re all having a wonderful day, evening, afternoon, good night, good morning wherever you’re listening to this podcast.

I just wanted to say thank you so much for your time, attention and just sharing your earbuds with me. Her name is Vanessa Van Edwards and she’s the master of, just–I guess you could say–body language, conversations, really understanding people for the most part.

Nathan: Hello and welcome to another episode of the “Foundr” podcast, guys.

My name’s Nathan Chan and I’m the CEO and publisher of “Foundr Magazine” and also the host of the “Foundr” podcast.

And I wondered, is there a way to make a business out of this science research? Whether it’s unraveling the building blocks of a charismatic personality, decoding body language, or just delving deeper into the psychology of relationships, she built a business around her passion for science, with a focus on translating dense academic language into something that everyone can understand.

In her writing, including her latest book, Van Edwards takes the latest research and uses it to explain how to read faster, make excellent small talk, and easily capture the attention of an entire room of people with nothing but your words.

You said you wanted to create a physical product-based business the most, so we’ve found an expert that’s going to share with you exactly how to do that. At least, I was told that in college, that I wouldn’t be able to do what I do and make a living.

So to find out more, you can go to foundrmag.com/ecommerce. I know that you must have entrepreneurial friends, other founders that you hang out with, learn from, share stories with. And so, I run a human behavior research lab here in Portland, Oregon. Vanessa: So I started the Science Of People in 2012, so it’s been about five years.What might surprise you about Vanessa – given that she’s dedicated herself to understanding the subject – is that she says people skills do NOT come naturally to her.I want to highlight this because it’s proof that people skills, like any other skill, can be learned.And this is an awesome conversation, because it’s a little bit different. It’s a little bit of a change-up and there’s some real gold here.We talk about this is a little bit, but we talk about things that I’m not that strong at. So I just wanted to share with you also, we are working on an amazing new initiative.You’ve heard me say this before, but I can’t overstate how important emotional intelligence is to creating powerful relationships.